in the city of washington, d.c., when hoover first came in, the city council decided to say they were boring to pass along a law banning hoovers because it would disrupt the traditionalists taxi system. it was sort of a clash between old and new, and in the end, the innuendo -- the new ended up winning out. but there are people with a stake in preserving the status quo. we need leaders who are willing to embrace technology and embrace the future in the name of jobs, in the name of a lot of other areas around procurement. >> as the last academic, i think i should say that one of the strongest defenders of the status quo is academia. since we are here at wayne state in an academic institution, i think it would be useful to pick up on the point, to look at how our graduate degree structures intersect with the need of the non-academic labor market. right now, our graduate programs are focused on producing people with ph these for the academic for therket, -- ph.d.'s academic labor market, which is not expanding rapidly, if at all. yet you have companies looking for highly educated people